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Yet Another Bad Idea

(Unoriginal, Too)


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Very awesome. If you were looking to avoid the digraph and homoglyphs, though, there are Cyrillic characters you could use:

Serbian and Macedonian have a letter Dzhe (Џ џ) that would be a better fit for J, as it represents the same sound /dʒ/ (transliterated as Dž dž in the Latin alphabet). Alternatively the character Dje (Ђ ђ) has a similar value /dʑ/ (Đ đ or Dj dj).

A bunch of languages do use an inverted che (Shha: Һ һ) for the sound /h/, which would avoid the conflict with Kha (Х х) for /x/.

It definitely makes sense to use Ka (К к) for /k/, but several Cyrillic languages have a /q/ sound, the Greek koppa was originally imported for Church Slavonic (as Koppa: Ҁ ҁ) but there is also Qaf (Қ қ), Hooked ka (Ӄ ӄ), Bashkir ka (Ҡ ҡ), Stroked ka (Ҟ ҟ), Aleut ka (Ԟ ԟ, a diagonal bar through the upper right) and Qa (Ԛ ԛ, rather unexcitingly) all representing that morpheme.

For the /θ/ morpheme, there was a character Fita (Ѳ ѳ) that is descended from the Greek theta, replaced by Ef (Ф ф) in 1918. The character The (Ҫ ҫ) is used for the same sound in Bashkir, though, if you wanted a different character.

Hope that helps :o)
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Ooh, cool!

I should say that a couple of extra constraints are that it should (a) be recognizable by a large amount of Cyrillic users; (b) it should be covered by a section of unicode that is most visible by a large number of users; and (c) it should be relatively easy to use for a large number of users.

/Һ/ for /h/ seems pretty good provided it fits the above criteria. For /q/, I've seen /Қ/ before, which is good. I've never seen /Ԛ/. Is it at all that common? If it's, at least, recognizable but not on the keyboard usually, perhaps Roman "q" could be substituted simply...?

I'm not pleased with any strategy for /θ/. Fita should be recognizable to Russians, but it's not likely to be in a common spot on a Cyrillic keyboard. Substituting /ф/ won't work since Dothraki has /f/. /ҫ/ strikes me as odd... It could work. Is it common on a Cyrillic keyboard?

Anyway, food for thought! Thanks for the suggestions!
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Ah, I didn't realise you wanted to focus on characters on a Russian keyboard; that's surprisingly limiting, as Cyrillic has more characters than Latin, so they struggle to fit them all in already (see Russian keyboard layout on the Russian Wikipedia and art.lebedev's The Tragedy of a Comma, both through Google Translate, for more details).

If it has to be on a Russian keyboard, then even the Serbian characters are out. But the Latin alphabet is available on Russian keyboards, which would mean Latin Q could be used for /q/ and Latin S could be used for /dʒ/ (it's not far from the sound of Dze: S s, used for /dz/ in Macedonian), if you wanted to avoid Latin J. The Latin letter h (lowercase only) could serve the same purpose as Һ. You could always use the numeric 8 instead of fita?
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Wait, let me back up. What I was hoping for was a Cyrillic scheme that used only (ideally) or mostly (probably) letters that were common to all languages that used the Cyrillic alphabet—that way it could be typed by anyone that happened to speak a language that used Cyrillic.

Oh, and let me say I have no problem with digraphs. Indeed: I love 'em! I think more alphabetic languages should use more of them. "дж" is still my favorite for /dʒ/.
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